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We wondered why a guy like Bob Doyle, with a Ph.D. in Astrophysics from Harvard University, and so many successful innovations, would be so interested in something like DITA. So we asked him.

DCL News: Bob, few people outside the Content Management world, have even heard of content management or DITA. How did you get interested?

Bob Doyle, Inventor

"I love to build communities and give people tools."

DCL: What about DITA piqued your interest? Does it relate to your background in desktop publishing?

My MacPublisher was unlike the monolithic PageMaker and Quark Xpress in that it assembled publications from distinct and reusable article components, which is what we are seeing more of today, especially with DITA.

DCL: You've invented a lot of interesting technology, and you have a PhD in astrophysics, so why the interest in DITA and making it available for others to use?

Bob: My first project after getting my PHD was a worldwide collaboration of astronomers to support the observations made by the Skylab astronauts. I love to build communities and give people tools. I also enjoy learning new technologies and teaching others about them. That's why I started CMPros and now DITA Users. I enjoy getting together people who want to learn about DITA and helping people get started with topic-based writing.

DCL: Why do you think DITA is important? Is it just for the technical publishing community or for everyone in business?

Bob: IBM thinks it will do lots more than just technical publishing, eLearning and training, for example. I am waiting to see whether they succeed. It would be great for education. It also promises to help conventional publishers become web publishers with its single-source publishing to print and the Web.

DCL: What do you think the future of DITA is?

DCL: Many companies have investments in legacy documentation they might convert and reuse. Can DITA be used with legacy documentation? Is there a way to blend legacy documentation and new documents into the same DITA map to avoid expensive rewriting?

Bob: There is no question that what DCL provides is chunks or components of content in XML that could, in principle, feed your assembly of DITA Topics with DITA Maps. Converted components can be combined with newly authored topics to produce new documents.

While not all legacy documentation is suitable for conversion to structure, when docs have been prepared using templates or simply contain a lot of similar sets of information then DCL conversions can recover information for use in a structured XML environment that would otherwise be prohibitively expensive to recreate. Unstructured documents can often be converted to XML structures by legacy conversion specialists as well, but when looking forward any organization looking to manage content more easily in the future should be looking at ways to add that structure explicitly.

DCL: Where is DITA being used in the real world?

Bob: The famous ones are Adobe with their Creative Suites, IBM itself of course, and PTC , who bought Arbortext and are now converting their docs to DITA. You can get an idea of some of the organizations that are using DITA, and what they are using DITA for, by viewing the list of case studies on the dita.xml.org web site.

DCL: What is the one thing you think holds organizations back from launching a DITA project and what can be done to change that?

Bob: Training writers to write topics instead of linear narratives. This is very different from how most writers are used to authoring. Authors are being asked to write modular content components that can be assembled in many different ways by the dynamic publishing engines. Content is now considered a group of components like interchangeable parts that can be plugged into a machine, or electronic parts that can be plugged together in a system. Content is modular-bits of text, images, audio and video media, Flash animations, 3D objects, and complex learning objects with built-in testing. And all these malleable pieces have XML with metadata in common.

So rather than writing long narratives, our assembly line writers will now be asked to author stand-alone topics that can be assembled by a component CMS, but also post-tagged by us someday to form our own personal knowledge bases. I wrote more extensively on this in my Assembly Line Writers article in the November 2007 EContent.

DCL: Tell us about DITAUsers.org. It looks like it might be a tool that can help those writers move toward the topic-based authoring they are being asked to do.

We list DITA solutions ranging from free (because of the free and open-source DITA Open Toolkit) to over three-hundred thousand dollars.

The purpose of the site is to help writers who are good at what they are doing, but need to get involved with topic-based structured writing. As you know, if you want to start to use DITA, in most cases you need to download and install the DITA Open Toolkit. For most tech writers (who are not really techies) it's really quite complicated to download. DITA Users need not install anything or know XML to begin topic- based structured writing using the DITAUsers.org web site. They can use the browser-based DITA Storm editor or the desktop XML editor with WebDAV access to author structured content in their own online workspace folder.

Writers can have multiple projects in their personal workspace, or writing teams can share a workspace. Each project includes source files, build files, and output files. They can process files to HTML, PDF, Help, and other publishing formats with the DITA Open Toolkit on our server.

DCL: DITA Users sounds like a pretty good source of information for DITA users and wannabes. Where else do you think folks should look for more information?

Bob: DITA.XML.org is the official OASIS community reference. I am on the OASIS Editorial Board. But I found I can build out websites optimized for specific DITA community needs faster than the official organization can move, thus my many DITA sites - DITABlog.com, DITAInfocenter.com, DITANews.com, DITATutor.com, and DITAWiki.org. Other independent sites are ditamap.com and DITAWorld.com, plus of course see DITA on Wikipedia.

DCL: Thank you Bob. It's been a pleasure talking with you. And we look forward to whatever you have yet to invent.

DCLNews Editorial
January 2008